many people on undernet find it difficult to create an username either because they dont have an ISP mail or its very hard to find an unblocked mail or the process of registration is too complicated for them. For example: in my chan, many newbies want to run trivia bots and they ask for ops in exchange and i give them. but i can only op them when i`m online. in order for them to have op every time they join is either to create an username which they find it very complicated either for me to get an eggdrop which i cant. that's why i suggest the creation of a new channel database containing hostmasks instead of users for auto-op/voice like in dalnet. this way, people wont need to create usernames to be opped/voiced in channels.

This sounds like some kind of nick register, but instead of nick you register the host, so i doubt it will be ever implemented.

Most of usual users don't connect from the same ip/host and imagine how many *registered hosts* would be needed, this feature would be benefic for bots (they have the same host all the time...), but not all servers tolerate bots so this is another reason for not coding such a thing.

Username reg is not hard at all, just 7 steps that can be followed in less than 3-4 minutes, so you mean they can easyer code a bot and keep it online than register an username?

they dont have to register anything. you just add the user's hostmasks to the channel database like AOP and SOP on dalnet. that's why it's a lot simpler.

How the IPs are going to be added?
Don't forget that not everyone has a static IP

Adding any wild card (*) in the IP?
Channels will be more easy for take-overs


As Hyper already said, registering a username isn't hard, there are still many emails out there which are not blocked by CService

Undernet used to have something like this, people were added to X(or W) by their hostmask. Yet, I see no reason to add this future back. There are only few people how actually would use this. Beside this it needs lots of extra resources, and let's not forget undernet is still free.

P.S: I've posted this message in order to get some extra points so I can play on the Casino.

That can get you banned from the forum.

/MSG X ADDHOST #CHANNEL <HOST> OP

/MSG X ADDHOST #CHANNEL <HOST> VOICE

/MSG X DELHOST #CHANNEL <HOST>


and on CService:

Users with access on this channel

[...] Users

Ops in this channel

[...] Op hosts

Voices in this channel

[...] Voice hosts

Ban list for this channel

[...] bans

Trust me, this feature is not needed and won't be added and enabled.

You can use any IRC client (irssi, bitchx, mIRC and so on) to do that or a bot (eggdrop, darkbot). You can even use a bouncer (psyBNC, etc). Everything has the auto-op feature. So, there are many alternatives.


Best Regards.

the dalnet service is a lot simpler then undernet ... and dalnet is free 2 so why don't have AOP on undernet ?

As many have already said, that's what make undernet different from other networks.

Dalnet is free 2, what are you waiting to jump there is you like dalnet service better?

badjoke: some other networks have million other modes, Undernet should have them too ? Some network does not have Web interface like the Undernet Channel Service so Undernet should drop it ? Stop comparing, every network has it's unique services and irc deamon. Stop the goddamn stupid comments.

yes dalnet service is better .. and aop it is a away to improve undernet .

X once used hostmasks instead of username, we went away from this because management of hostmasks is a nightmare compared to usernames now, there is a lot more involved with hostmasks.

1. people often irc from both work/school and home, and of course work/school uses a different internet service provider from home, suddenly you need 2 hostmasks per user, you don't with usernames.

2. if a user were to change isp's permanently, usernames only require the email address on record to be changed, once, hostmasks require being changed whereever they are set.

3. users already have enough trouble with setting good hostsmasks when setting bans, and yet some people still manage to evade them, a badly set hostmask can easily apply to millions of people, and this is what makes them more hackable than usernames :(


CService had to do a lot of work repairing hostmasks when X did them, we just did not have the man power to continue handling them, and we never will :(

i disagree. giving or stealing a user password is much more simpler than giving an IP address/hostmask. it happened on my channel when some noob operator decided to give his password to one of the ppls pretending to be user savers from CService. then he massbaned my channel. even with the notices received when logging to X or CService site not to give passwords, there are still many ppl giving their passwords to user stealers and CService does nothing to stop them. i dont think usernames were a bad idea, i just think this is a feature that should be used only by intermediate/advanced users and for beginners, there should be re-enabled hostmask moding as an alternative.

i agree