Do you think Undernet is a pretty "democratic" network and open to new ideas and sugestions from users, or do you just belive that this network is leaded in one straight way with no different perspectives by more ore less then few people. Do you think team work between the administrators and opers is going well ? well you might not know that answer exactly...but you can at least see it in how the network works and functions.
If you have any oppinions on this matter feel free to post here any idea based on the following "words": Leadership, Comunication, Team Work, Respect, Structure all at an administrative level for undernet...

Just give it a few thoughts, might help someone !

Regards,

Razvanet all i can say is that this NETWORK will be up without Leadership , Teamwork , Respect etc.....

So in other words you think that if this network had no leaders...if helpers and officials didn't respect them or anyone else, Undernet will still be what it is now....will still be up ? defenetly an interesting opinion and i have nothing to argue yet, unless you would like to elaborate more on your personal idea...

look at this forum for example, is it leaded or "democratic" ?



How about; how many people actually know these kinds of things? maybe something like 5% of Undernet? probably 95% doesn't even know what they are doing and infact they probably don't mind as long as Undernet is running and they can chat with friends that's all they probably need

Undernet is what it should be, a great place to hang out and to be able to chat with friends alllllll day long.

For my own opinion, i don't mind if it's democratic or not, myself is more busy with certain channels that has his own problems, sure we need help from the Undernet staff, but that doesn't mean i need to be uptodate with what they are doing along eachother

anyway i hope it gave u a personal view of mine.

Dumb topic! You already know that undernet has certain committies which make the network run pretty well! it would be dumb to ask if there is communication betwen them because they have to communicate with each other in order to run the network! And it is also dumb to ask if there should be an undernet leader because there won`t be any!
that is my oppinion! you judge it!

ZeroSlashe®

Well I think this forum is in major part leaded, but it's also a tiny bit democratic...since people can post sugestions for the forum and some times moderators and admins agree and DO.

Secondly I don't mind your oppinion at all...since that is what you think but i do since a lot of indifference from your part regarding this matter, not that it would have made a big difference. Keep bvusy with those channels of yours..


sirAndrew

I think that "Dumb" is a very silly word to be used in this context.

Having strated with that: "they have to communicate with each other in order to run the netwotk"

But Do they really ?

How are you so sure that there won't be any leaders on undernet, sorry...Are you sure the undernet has no leaders right now ?

Because i am the true leader of undernet!

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

try to don`t dream while you are awake please

Networks (and a network lige this size) can not be run with democratic system. There must be some elite people around who think,act smoothly in order to this network run and not to dissolve. And the current managment of Undernet is really good and doing fine. So shortly, network can not run without leaders and ppl on the top.

wow. ambitious, aren't we?

I totaly agree.

Maybe u would wish to share with us, Razvanet, ur perspective over a democratic ruled irc network, at this scale, of course.
The network is heading in one straight way , and i see nothing wrong with that, you shouldn't change a thing that is working just for the sake of changing it.

No, no no...don't confuse yourself and other people...i never said that is bad for this network to be leaded by some people or that it would be better if it was democratic. I only asked for an opinion from the people of undernet, i did not give mine so far. I'm not going to share any perspective with you on that matter since i don't really see it that way too, besides your post is a bit sarcastic and i'm not going to bother with it to much...There is no doubt that the network must have leaders to function...and i'm happy with the work of those people...this is not a complain section, nor something similar...i just want to see other opinions on this subject. Chunka, thank you for sharing your opinion with us...and i will agree with you that "the current managment of Undernet is really good and doing fine". Another thing i would like to ask of all if possible is to stay focused on the main topic, and not jump to fast conclusions or post anything that is not directly linked to the Topic here. Thank's again to those who shared their opinion and i'm looking forward to seeing other people point's of view on this matter.

With all the respect,
Razvanet

A man has the right to dream!
i have high dreams but i`m only 17 i hate time to makethem into reality!

Hi to everyone.
As a political science student i'd like to first ask you what do u reffer to when u say "democracy" ? There are several types of democracy. If you really have some interest in the topic search the User Comm for some Undernet History and you'll see that in the begining Undernet was a "direct democracy" meaning decisions were made through a mailing-list where all the users had access. That was in the begining however when the network was very small. Now you could wish to have now an representative democracy, but you can imagine what that would imply (all users naming representants) and after all it is impossible because it just wouldn't be fair ! Why ?
Let's analyze a bit what an irc network is. More than one servers linked together. Each server has an owner. They choose how to run their own server, it's their right since they provide you with a FREE service. You have the right to choose but not to complain. If you don't like it, you pack your things and move to a better network, because you are not a costumer to Undernet but just an user which has some priviledges for free, priviledges that can be taken away from you. However they try to make it a friendly as posible environment for you and give you the option to complain and ask and they accept feedback from you. That is quite democratic i'd say.
To answer some your questions as I see it:
Who rules Undernet ? - Obviously anyone can figure out that the Undernet Server's Admins run it. They own the servers, they work together to maintain a stable and secure network.
Channel Service Commitee has no official implications in runing the network as a whole, but only their service. The channel service
Undernet will never be ruled by a single individual unless Undernet will be left with only one server, which i doubt it will happen. As far as i can imagine any perm linked server admin has equal rights in the administration board. And i think that there is democracy.. amongst them, i suppose they vote for any global decision etc.
There are other people of course invested with power over the network and they are named irc operators.

Each server admin chooses his opers, and their addition is aproved or not by the rest of the admins which is more like an act of courtesy and a measure of security as far as i can think of, so i guess you need to specify what "administrators" you reffer to ? Because if you reffer to the server admins of course there is comunication between opers and their admins otherwise the oper gets removed and end of story. If you reffer to CService Administrators and you have the FALSE impression that opers are ruled by them then you should read some more and realize what is an oper and what is CService and what is the BIG difference between the two concepts.
I think the network runs good on a general aspect. However i couldn't help noticing some acts of favouritism when it comes to getting things done. It has become a matter of "who do u know" and "who knows who" and it's not right for some people who actually dedicate their time and efforts to the network. However this does not reffer to the common and general users who are not affected by this. So yeah i guess for the simple user this network has much to offer at NO COSTS. So if i were you i'd think twice when i want to complain about a FREE service.

My best regards,
Skello.