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 Post subject: Increase Maxbans in channels..
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:13 pm 
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These days a new annoying drone appear.. It have a timer what rejoin each 1200 secs(20 mins)..
It being really hard to keep these drones away of our channel.. Lots of bans..Unbans.. Normal chat on the channel is nearly impossible, users are frustrated..

Can you please increase maxbans on the channel ? At least for big channels.. That can save tons of traffic and that will permet to put more stickey bans(permanent setted ban)..

The X seem is the only one who can set more than 45 bans.. Can you give same power to alternative channel bots ? ;)



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You have many bans through X and if you add and the bans the network gives you... i think there are more than enough. Remember that you can use * !



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In some topic Homer wrote..

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X banlist can go up to 300bans, X will force the maxbans and if i`m not wrong also you`ll be able to set those 45 bans by regular users (maximun 345)


I think this is great idea! To make X bans do not counted(for MAXBANS)!
So, for example, if X even set 50 active bans on the channel.. Regular ops can still set 45 bans(direct..not through X)!



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Here is a example..

[21:59:11] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[21:59:11] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[21:59:11] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:03:22] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb .. *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:15:53] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:15:53] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:15:53] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:17:17] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:18:14] * mirceaGRA (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:18:14] * mirceaGRA was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:22:18] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:32:32] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:32:32] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:32:32] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:32:59] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb .. *!*@host152-100.pool8290.interbusiness.it
..
[22:49:13] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:49:13] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:49:13] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:50:35] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:51:35] * mirceaGRA (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:51:35] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:51:35] * mirceaGRA was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
And so on..

Help us stop that.. That f*cked drones rejoin each 1200 seconds! They all have same REAL NAME, same AWAY MESSAGE, KLINE THEM ALL!

Mitko wrote:
Cause.. if the banlist is 45 and X set 50 bans, then a regular op is NOT able to set bans.

My suggestion is to MAKE ABLE setting of bans in that condition..
So we could set that all 300 bans to that join/rejoin drones(through X).. And 45 bans for regular channel spam(for regular ops)..Bad words..Notice..etc..

IT IS SO HARD!?

Mitko wrote:
well normaly the ban list will be full

These drones REJOIN EVERY 1200 SECONDS! I'm writing with caps lock, hope this is clear now ;]


Mitko wrote:
And this topic is already over discussed.. Moderators please lock this topic..

Oh, really ? You are so indifferent ?

"How can we improve undernet?" :D Haha.. I can't stop laugh.. That forum is really so usefully and that section especially.. You guys have lots of constructive ideas.. THANK YOU!



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as already stated, use X bans, X can set up over 300 bans and Regular-OPs can still set those 45-server bans. Or write a script that will check for away messages and full names.



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adrenalin wrote:

-- snip --

[21:59:11] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[21:59:11] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[21:59:11] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:03:22] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb .. *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:15:53] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:15:53] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:15:53] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:17:17] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:18:14] * mirceaGRA (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:18:14] * mirceaGRA was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:22:18] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:32:32] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:32:32] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:32:32] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:32:59] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb .. *!*@host152-100.pool8290.interbusiness.it
..
[22:49:13] * Carmelita (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:49:13] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:49:13] * Carmelita was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..
[22:50:35] * Ulma sets mode: -bbbbbb *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be ..
..
[22:51:35] * mirceaGRA (~lwalb@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be) has joined #moldova
[22:51:35] * X sets mode: +b *!*@160.170-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be
[22:51:35] * mirceaGRA was kicked by X ((Capcaun) REALNAME-ul care il ai este folosit de roboti, te rugam sa-l schimbi.)
..

-- snip --



Does all of the drones use the ident ~lwalb? If so, ban *!~lwalb@*

You can only have 45 'active' bans on the channel. If the channel banlist is full, and a user joins who is added to the X banlist, then X wont be able to ban the user anyway. Just make sure you set as effective bans as possible, and have a few "spare slots" available in the channel banlist.



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 Post subject: Re: Increase Maxbans in channels..
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 10:40 pm 

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adrenalin wrote:
... Lots of bans..Unbans.. Normal chat on the channel is nearly impossible, users are frustrated..

Our channel is under attack for months. One day we had more than 4700 bans + unbans + kicks + floatlim every 30 seconds and the channel looked very quiet to regular users.

How? ... very easy to block all those lines.

Periodically, we were passing a message telling users how to hide modes and kicks messages. Any users following the instructions are unaware of the mess going on.

I agree with you that the limit of 45 bans is not enough. Our banlist is kept within an eggdrop. Since X keeps bans for 14 days max, X is useless to us for that purpose, unless you want to rewrite bans every day. Being able to set permanent bans would reduce the amount of bans but since regular users are not affected ... why bothered?


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:21 pm 
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Solutions:

1) Use the 45 server bans when you want to set a duration-less ban (like on the drones). Ban on ips, identds etc (like the sugestion above)

2) Make a script to keep the drones out (Something like on *:join:*: checking the full name [if its the same as you say] and ban them)

3) Make a script updating some bans on X's database every 365 hours (I think) (as it is the max duration can be set)

4) Set the channel +r if all the chatters have a username in X

6) Set mode +k and make sure all the chatters know the key

7) Set mode +i and adduser all the chatters so they can invite themselves.

There are likely to be more ways to get rid of the drones but theese are the only i can think of at the moment.

Good luck

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TheAbyss wrote:
1) Use the 45 server bans when you want to set a duration-less ban (like on the drones). Ban on ips, identds etc (like the sugestion above)

Since we remove the 6 older bans when the banlist get close to the limit of 45, bans, sometime, bans don't even last 10 minutes.
TheAbyss wrote:
2) Make a script to keep the drones out (Something like on *:join:*: checking the full name [if its the same as you say] and ban them)

While the "on join" event is taken care by our eggdrop, we do have scripts reacting to "on ban" and "on text" events. Whitout that, we wouldn't be able to survive.
TheAbyss wrote:
3) Make a script updating some bans on X's database every 365 hours (I think) (as it is the max duration can be set)

We made the choice of using our eggdrop for the banlist
TheAbyss wrote:
4) Set the channel +r if all the chatters have a username in X
6) Set mode +k and make sure all the chatters know the key
7) Set mode +i and adduser all the chatters so they can invite themselves.

These parameters are useless to us since we have a vast client base originating from several french countries. Our peak is over 300 users during the evening. At the most, 20% of our users have a username. +k for us is out of the question. The only time we apply +r+m is when an Undernet server comes back from a split and increase the banlist over 45 bans, rendering all other ops useless. We enable them for a couple of minutes in order for the eggdrop, servers and script to lower the banlist under 45. As I said before, if a regular user hides the modes and kicks messages, he will notice nothing of what is really happening.

Personally, I would exchange, anytime, a banlist limit of a hundred against X 300 bans limits which renders all other ops useless after 45 bans. Unless such situation put enough strain on Undernet equipment, I don't expect Undernet to react.

Nevertheless, for the price we are paying for using Undernet equipment, I believe we have a very good network.

Thx for your ideas and have a nice day :-)


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In my oppinion, the number of bans allowed in X should be a bit increased, but as many alternatives could be found I don`t think this would happen.
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I think the banlist for a channel using X is unlimited now..


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if X already has 45 bans active in the channel, an operator cannot set additional bans. There are no flags attached to a ban determining if the ban is set by a service or not.

So my suggestion is to copy all bans into X as soon as possible and keep the banlist active in the channel as low as possible. Do not use so called sticky bans like eggdrop does if they are not neccessary.



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